Is it because music makes us feel out of this world?...
Could it be that god was a musician?
Or our universe is nothing but a melody?...
And our lives are a symphony?, ...with four movements of changes in our lives...
Was Tchaikovsky prophesizing in his "Pathetic" 6th symphony?
Can we give in to the music?
Dissolve our personalities and egos in it?
Can we trust it?
Could it be that god was a musician?
Or our universe is nothing but a melody?...
And our lives are a symphony?, ...with four movements of changes in our lives...
Was Tchaikovsky prophesizing in his "Pathetic" 6th symphony?
Can we give in to the music?
Dissolve our personalities and egos in it?
Can we trust it?
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Tue, March 30, 2004 - 6:27 PMin the begining was the word.
that word/sound was AUM or in the Tibetan tradition AH
This is the vibration of creation. the big bang. The ONE wo/man band. Started it all in motion.
All is vibration. All is energy. So yes it is music. The music of the spheres. Shab'd
Those who know the law of vibrations know ALL.
"Hermes Trismagistes"
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Thu, July 15, 2004 - 4:24 PMMusic is a direct dimensional experience of interconnected wholeness, something at the core of our being. In a way, we are experiencing our own nature when we experince great music. At the same time we are experiencing the human ability to overcome separation and return to oneness. Higher Love revealed. Definitly something worth rejoicing in.
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Wed, August 11, 2004 - 12:06 AMwhy do people worship music?
cus it puts us in the moment. In the present.
in the moment we have the oppertunity to tune into creation.
in the begining was the word, the word never stoped. AUM
creation never stopped.
Its happening NOW.
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(((((aum)))))
Thu, September 2, 2004 - 9:59 AMRight on Pahx... my thoughts exactly.
Power to the Music. Power to the Mystic!
xo
lana
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Mon, August 9, 2004 - 4:21 PMThe sun pulsates like the skin of a drum every 5 minutes sending out vibrations through the universe and into our hemisphere. If it weren't for the sun we wouldn't be here which means neither would life vibrations nor music!
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Thu, September 2, 2004 - 2:18 PMAho mo' fo's!
Vibin'and ridin'the waves of love and wonder.
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Mon, September 13, 2004 - 11:10 AMYes, music can be a way for us to attune to higher frequencies (levels of being) in the universe. A means to get closer to GOD.
But, we must always remember to focus on worshipping the GODHEAD and not worship the music. It is a tool, a great tool.
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Fri, September 17, 2004 - 2:07 PMSo true. The more I tried to put my soul into music the more I realized I had to take a step back and connect with the spirit I was trying to put INTO the music. Took me a minute to figure that one out and every so often I still need to take a step back and realign my vibration so that what I put out can stay true to the source.
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Fri, September 17, 2004 - 3:14 PMGod is music. God is light...light is sound waves. Everysingle thing in creation is based on light/sound waves. So the term "In the beggining was the word" is very very true.
Creation is the very voice of God. Between every single wave is a sound, as well as every single wave being sound.
Music is life!
As far as worshipping goes... let every thing you eat, listen to, read and enjoy company with be of love. God is love. Let the music that we write and sing be NOT for vanity and fame but for the sake of beauty and God: for the upliftment of Humanity in the Understanding of the One.
I do not belive that God is neither mam or woman but is the ALL THat IS. The One mind of Creation. I have a hrd time with Dogmatic versions of who Christ was/is. Being born and raised in a Cree family, with a father who served in the Army (Pentagon) I have been taught to be open and search the world for Truth and Knoweledge by the way of Love. To let Love be our guide and teacher...
In this journey here on Earth my expereince is that all life is music. Everything is sound waves...everything is Light. In the Begining there was Light (which is electromegnetic photon wavelengths)... so in the begining there was sound (the Word).
That is why msuic is so deep for humankind. The voice of God IS music.
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Mon, September 20, 2004 - 7:43 PMIt is his love that makes us feel sooooooooo good when we are playing music! Especially when you are directing every note and every lyric and every vibration to him......something happens......His presence appears! Then you don't ever want to stop. It's like you can keep going and going....just like the energizer bunny! However, you know when we meet Him that's what we all will be doing..... Is Singing and Praising His Name infinity! Because he is the Most Beautiful! The Most Wonderful... Creature of All......
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Tue, September 21, 2004 - 10:15 PMAll creation is vibration.
All vibration is the name of God/dessence.
We are all one within this field of vibration.
To know this is to remember how holy life is, and to live in the law of love.
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Fri, September 24, 2004 - 11:23 AMthis is VERY interesting...
The question was "Why people worship music?"
Personally, I worship THROUGH music. I do not worship music in and of itself. That might be comparable to an athelete worshiping the game they play or a businessperson worshiping their company.
I don't know. That might be an unfair analogy.
It is interesting that the vibrational presence that is produced with chant or music very directly invokes a divine presence. >OM< in the vedic tradition and >HU< in the prophetic traditions are the ever present sounds of our universe (meditate silently long enough and you can hear it).
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Mon, September 27, 2004 - 11:02 AMI believe it does. I've seen people worship the music and not use it as a vehicle or tool.
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Wed, September 29, 2004 - 10:58 PMALL is ONE.
All is vibration.
There is no other. only ONE
what ever you wish to call this ONE.
I do not feel that there is such thing as sin. And even if there was, the only sin would be to forget Ones breath.
If ALL IS ONE, then no one may commit idolatry, any thing you end up worshiping IS the ONE.
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Mon, October 4, 2004 - 11:31 PMHow about murder?
What about cults that worshipped through brutality? (such as the thugee cult of Kali?)
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Tue, October 5, 2004 - 10:10 AMmaybe its only "right" to speak of right and wrong when we are speaking for our selves.... each person has their own ways, thats the beauty of individuality
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Wed, October 13, 2004 - 12:14 PM(speaking of murder, it looks like I done killed this thread!)
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Mon, October 18, 2004 - 8:37 AMDillema. . .why have a problem with what IS?
I question your definition of idolatry. Could you be confusing idolatry with honor?
Going back to the fact that ALL sound is music--if you didn't have sound you wouldn't have to question, doubt or defame the true nature of what is. All sound being music. God is there, always, don't let the cleverness of mind, whether it's lyrics or view points, distract from the basis of the sound beneath which is always the truth.
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Sat, October 23, 2004 - 7:44 AMsince god is in everything and is everything
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Wed, December 22, 2004 - 5:29 PMReligion, spirituality and god, like music, are entirely subjective concepts to the individual beholder. For instance, how often have you heard of a maniacal fan of show tunes running on stage during a performance of "My Fair Lady" and killing the star. People of that musical persuasion are just not as likely to do something so drastic as is our favorite head-banger. People with certain tendancies in life and in spirit use music and religion as varying, but equally affective vehicles toward self discovery and determination (even though, too often, this is clouded over by the self and desire...as in the case of our head-banging friend...and it may turn violent and/or murderous). Idoletry is a sin if one happens to be a practicing "christian", and allowing music, or anything else for that matter ($$$$), to fall between one's faith and their own "soul" is a sin (if one is a christian...which, more and more, people are not...even if they try real hard). The history of music in western religious culture is actually a bit scary. The rules and regulations by which early western music developed were handed down by the church to the people, the composers and the artists alike. Imagine being damned for making a minor second or an augmented fourth on purpose. There are so many religous and spiritual movements out there that are much more kind to the music and involve it more dirrectly with their worship or praise. But what music is (and possibly is to be worshiped as) is simply that vehicle to traveling within ourselves through sound and the exploration of our own minds/spirits/souls. The varying ways by which this connection is effectively achieved are prevelent in the arts, religions and other spiritual practices. What one might worship about anything is the insight and self awareness that it offers them beyond the tangible. What we find curious and lack control over too often is where and how that vehicle lands or is recieved within us and in our minds/spirits/souls.
TBC...maybe.
Wow...almost lost that one for a minute.
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Wed, December 22, 2004 - 8:08 PMyou guys are RIGHT ON!! what a great line of discussion!
to answer the question: for a lack of real knowledge. music can show us to ourselves (because good music is truthful). and, i've heard, God loves music! but, i agree that it's important to focus on Godhead and not the impersonal, ephemeral, idea of god. we can become self-involved and baffled. (that's when unfortunate events like mad fans stampeeding happen, etc., really!).
don't worship music, but let your feelings and reactions guide you. music and art can open our hearts. but we also need knowledge about who we are and who God is. God has many names but that doesn't mean that all names are God's (well, i mean, he owns them). read valid scripture or find a real guide. a real person- and they should stick out like sore thumbs around here.
meanwhile, enjoy the things that refresh your spirit!
AUM: A represents the personality of godhead, Krshna. U represents His pleasure potency, Radha. M represents the living entities, us.
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Sat, November 5, 2005 - 10:20 PMif Music, is the ordering of the frequences and duration of vabrations, and ALL things vabrate at individual frequences, the pyhsical universe, within the motion of Time, could be seen as the instrament that plays the Songof ALL. the music we create, ether by means of a "musical instrument" or by the vibration song that is our existance, adds to/changes this ALL Song. This is how right and wrong is determend by all the parts that make up the ALL (right = harmeny, wrong= dissadence). Creation is happening Now, the Song of All is still being composed as it is played. now when we talk about music that is audible to the human ear, we are talking about compressional waves withen a limited frequency range, this is only a vary small portion of the vibrational frequences that make up the ALL Song. this limited music can be used to imitate the greater Music. just as the vibrationl frequences of the light reflected off the colors in a panting, music is a language of vibrations that the human body can physicly sence. this languages can be used to attempt to "speek" of the music we experiance on levels other then physical.
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Fri, February 11, 2005 - 9:16 AMWOW... WOW... WOWWWWWWWW
I'm new to this tribe and this is the first topic I clicked on. I'm simply amazed at the beauty of all that's been shared. I feel like I'm home (or atleast, at ONE of my homes). LOL
As for music, it has been the one constant in my life (other than my Higher Power). People come and people go, but music has always been there - to encourage me, bring out my emotions, inspire me, and set my spirit free (like my Higher Power). I can remember listening to the Moody Blues when I was 4 years old (I'm the youngest of 5 and I was fortunate to have siblings who loved to listen to music). I can't tell you what I got for Christmas when I was 12 years old, even... but I can tell you who/what I was listening to, at (pretty much) any age/stage of my life.
Is this "worshipping" music? Hmmmmmm... I don't know. But I DO know that I LOVE music. I have tapped in to the power of sound when in prayer and meditation... when dancing... while making love... when cleaning my house... when at work. I listen to it in the car and at home.
There is such beautiful healing in music/sound. There HAS been since I was a little girl and there will be, for me, ALWAYS. Anything that can set my spirit free, like music does, IS of God... that's for sure!!! I know that my post doesn't sound as "enlightened" or as informative as the others, but it's from my heart.
*just my 2 cents, for today*
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Fri, February 11, 2005 - 2:31 PMC'mon, girl. There's no need to make comparisons. Like two musicians will play the same note just a bit differently, we express our love in many ways. The fact that you did it was good enough for me. Namaste and welcome. -
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Fri, February 11, 2005 - 3:15 PMPoint taken, Asper. I apologize for the comparison (although I didn't mean for it to sound negative). Now that I read my post again, I can see how it might sound that way.
I think that the way we are all unique IS what makes this such an interesting place. Besides... so many had already posted "some" things that I believe, so I thought I'd just put a different spin on it.
Thank you for the welcome, my friend.
Namaste... indeed..
~Sandi~
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 7:06 AM"What is Worshiping"-Frank Herbert (Jesus Incident, or was it the White Plague.)
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Tue, October 18, 2005 - 1:52 AMbecause it is true it was the begning of hte big bang. but it is also more then just that it is what is talked about even when jesus and budha and krishna spoke of right before enlightenment the sound the word of god. its an actualy harmonious all knowing sound that encompess everything because when you hear you can hear in every direction so is when you become sound and aquire that form of being you will also have a knowing of all the motions around you at any given place in your universe. uni meaning one and verse meaning song. heheheh. the universe that we live in is right below the vibration of sound and light. it is hte next level after the maya or illusionary world. it is what budha called the level of enlightenment. but believe me there are more levels hehehe.
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Sun, October 23, 2005 - 9:46 AMMaking the assumption that the question is meant as "Why do peole worship with/through music?"
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Thu, October 27, 2005 - 6:51 PMGreat posts everyone! Thanks for your sharing.
I'll tackle the negativity question about murder etc too. I see divinity in all things -ALL THINGS. Seemingly poor choices are just as divine as seemingly positive ones, there is no judgement from the creator, thats something we choose to assign. In the field of duality nature always finds a balance and its an ever shifting field seeking its equilibruim. Music, like people and all things in the universe is just energy changing form. The energy of beingness or that which is, is a part of god. Music is a simple, clear and powerful expression of this energy hence its attraction and connectivity is vast.
Namaste,
MrOneness
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Fri, October 28, 2005 - 12:46 PMEver read the Sillmarillion? J.R. Tolkien says it very well. Basically the Bible of “Middle Earth.” The book describes the Tolkien world from the beginning to the end as a history complete with genealogy of all the beings in Middle Earth; the elves, the humans, the dwarves, and the orks and goblins. Really it is like a fantasyland bible. It starts with Eru, who is basically everything and nothing and quite bland and bored so he made the Ainur, or The Holy Ones, and when he first spoke to them he pronounced them themes of music and they sang to him and he was glad. At first they sang separately to Eru but as they heard each other there came a deeper understanding between them and they sang together to Eru. So then the Ainur were likened to harps and lutes, pipes and trumpets, viols and organs, and like unto countless choirs singing with words, began to fashion the theme of Eru which was that of endless melodies woven in harmony and passing beyond hearing and into the depths and heights. And the music and the echo of the music went out into the void and there was no void. But never again did the Ainur sound as they did then because as the theme progressed it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Eru and discord was born. Well the book goes onto explain just what happened up to the now of middle earth but I think J.R.Tolkien was writing about the reality of music in the universe from his perspective. Sound is vibration and everything in creation vibrates. And if you think about it you can see that the molecules that make up life, the life form built of them, and the cultures that form from them are in essence a chord of individual vibrations just as music is. And if you look at the basic building blocks of the atoms that make up everything, crystals, you can see basically musical chords physically manifest as a mineral. So personally, I can imagine how all of life is a musical song. Not to mention the discord that opposes it but from those selfish individual notes that create discord the roots of disease or dis ease are seen. Or basically disorders. Music is very powerful indeed and I believe that when the world shifts from this long cycle of prominent evil to a long cycle of prominent good, music will be the catalyst because not only can music heal the individual it can align the collective. Maybe there will always be discord; disorder; evil, but I am an optimist and I see past what is happening to a future in harmony and in love and in music. I think of God as music and my hell would be separation from music whereas my heaven would be a world as this in perfect harmony. A garden of music. -
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Tue, November 1, 2005 - 7:34 PMMusic takes everything on an emotional and mental journey...I've looked up while practicing the violin and seen a cat looking back at me through the windowpane looking just as surprised as I am that we noticed each other....To be in a rhythm and melody and harmony and consciously pull the tension through sound and then resolve back again...It's a journey which lets everyone be in control yet let all control go at the same time. A trusted musician in the hands of an aware audience is so so precious to everyone concerned! A beautiful connection forms.
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Mon, November 7, 2005 - 5:14 PMA Garden of Music... Love it!
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Mon, April 16, 2007 - 7:04 AMIt is this mythology that I think points to Tolkien's Esoteric knowledge, or instincts. Also, his use of the gold tower, and silver towers of light in his mythology is indicative of masonic pillars.
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Mon, November 14, 2005 - 10:59 PMMusic is time. Music is the one phenomenon through which we best experience this strange phenomenon. At the same time (no pun intended) music also suspends time.
Music is numbers. Huge loads of numbers presented in an immediately understandable way.
Music is multifariousness and oneness at the same time. The more musical you are, the better you will be able to experience multifariousness as being oneness.
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Tue, March 21, 2006 - 7:11 PMAll of you already know the answer.
-Eric
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Thu, August 3, 2006 - 1:21 PMA long time ago, before any of us were material, the isness of our being lived everywhere intertwined in vibration. Without going into too much metaphysics, science or theology, we all share the oneness of being simultaneously and as it seems during moments of recollection, synchronicity and the anihilation of the ego complex. Music, like the complex nature of a soul, expresses a multi-layered imprint of feelings, beliefs, truths, relations and beauty that supercedes any linguistical guise due to the medium from which it is transmitted: sound. It is the only force that can simultaneously and democratically transmit a messagee to a large number of people. If the messenger is aware, he/she can serve as a medium to a higher understanding, one which defeats all barriors and brings together the appearance of differences that would otherwise remain seperate. As the vibrations are processed by the vibrational signature of any soul who is drawn to such and experience, a sense of belonging and quiessence results. We are teleported back to the chamber where our primal nature can be calmed, our aspiring soulss can be lifted, and our oneness in spirit can be realized.